Umm.. Im siting here thinking about this and getting ideas. This is generally NOT a good thing but Ill go with it anyway.

Atm scanning and ganking are quite binary as an equation. There really isnt much more than calculate your dps and their EHP along with value of your ships and your targets drop chance in terms of isk. Once this condition is met you simply lock and fire and that is that. Go sit out your 15 min timer and rinse repeat unless youre low on sec and then you head off to concord station to "reship" sec with tags.

So how can we make it non binary? Scanning modules offer the greatest area to play with this idea as the gank itself is just lock and shoot. We already have a hacking minigame template but what happens if you needed to hack into the ships security system, instead of 'press buttan recieve bacon' style gameplay, and while the hack is going on the other player becomes your opponent in the hacking minigame. You either are racing for the command node itself to attack or defend or the pilot is the defender and the ganker is only the attacker.

This style of interaction would be interesting but tough simply because of the time frames involved in the gank itself. A frieghter warps in 20s or so and a hauler in much less. Being bumped would negate the time frame of course. But a successful attack might mean that the cargo is scanned and can be reported as a target and an unsuccessful attempt would amount to what? Denial of cargo scan? Immunity for bumping? Scanner going suspect?

The only issue at present is the time required to attack/defend such an attempt and it would apply the best to freighters given that issue imo. But basically any idea that makes this interaction non binary would be the best option. Rather than fitting and other BS answers we toss about. Anything to make it more challenging rather than 'push buttan receive bacon.'

While I wouldn't call it an outright nerf to ganking, it definitley was a huge buff for lazy autopiloting capsuleers. Also for folks that cannot be bothered to press a button after each jump, or when they leave a station.

It's about the same category of pilots that needed the safety button to be introduced in the game, because the confirmation of a message, that bad things are about to happen if the pilot continues trying to shoot that specific target, was way too much attention required.

I had a good laugh in one of the late ganking threads, when a poster proposed a confirmation window to pop up for some situation.

CCP has catered to the inattentive, lazy, easy gameplay during the last years in a way, that is very well comparable to some of the stuff Blizzard has done to WoW in the past. All in the name of gameplay improvement.

No wonder, folks can't be bothered to do even basic maths anymore when loading their paper thin space trucks with all their belongings, completely ignoring EVEs rule no 1: You simply don't fly what you don't want to lose. Period.

Come to think of it, why not at least have a suspect flag for people scanning. After all, if somebody is going around a parking lot looking into cars, would that behavior not be "suspect"?

I know I known "Hurf blurf this is not real life hurf blurf not another nerf".

These days I don't get wrapped up in "don't they want PVP?" They don't. Heck even RvB turned out to be a kill-farming scam.

But what about HTFU?

My, how the tune changes. I bet if scanning ships did result in s suspect flag, you'd call that a nerf to ganking.

But but I though you people always win every engagement? I thought you people are the apex feeeders of Eve, the super duper uber leet undefeatable pilots here to break people out of their RL habits of not being paranoid enough about everything?


Your type will never change, and it's the presence of people like you in this game, or this game itself (apparently) that is not going to be missed.

I did some further research on the wreck EHP change which we discussed on a locked thread, it was confirmed to me that Endie did push for it because AG was ganking wrecks.

You came in fast to try to water down what I said, who ae you exactly, Endie perhaps?

So in a nut shell the AG start to do something to affect gankers, the gankers using one of their CSM members pushes for a change that negates the AG strategy. CCP were grossly incompetent and were manipulated by Endie for his own reasons. The man is a disgrace, can't win in space so he gets the rules changed.

Not just lying, but slander. This is an extraordinary accusation to make of both the player and CCP, so some extraordinary evidence is going to be required before it's anything more than bullshit.

My lawyer says I am totally fine, he just gave me the parameters to work under which I had already worked out.

As you gankers often say get a friend, I just did.

And you run away because you realise its not some poor blue collared pleb that you can bully.

I am not going to reply to the others, they are hot air.

You and other ganker aligned posters...

What does any of this have to do with the idea of getting a suspect flag for using scanners?

*Thinks we all take EVE too seriously*

*Called a lawyer over EVE stuff*

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